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The mighty English Oak
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don
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 5:06 pm    Post subject: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Hi

I have a mighty Oak tree (think big) which is about 2 inches tall with 4 leaves on it (its only about 6 months old). At the moment it is in an ordinary 2 inch pot but i would like to put it into a proper tray. Should i wait until spring or could i do it now? I also have a Beech tree which is about an inch tall if it stands on its tiptoe with 2 leaves on it. Any tips on growing this please.


Also i remember reading that you can use compost and cat litter for the soil, is this correct?

Thanks

Don
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jimothy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 6:45 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Don't bother putting them in another pot, Don.

Plant them out in your garden somewhere for a few years, where they will grow much faster, and will become suitable for turning into bonsai much quicker. Kept in pots, they will barely grow at all, and will remain immature trees in pots, rather than something worthy of the name bonsai.

PS - i editted your two threads into one, as they essentially deal with the same topic.


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keithmart
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2007 7:36 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Hi Don,

there is an old saying regarding oak trees:

they take 300 years to grow

300 years to mature

300 years to die

so you could be in for a long wait!
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steve
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:14 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

I just want to reinforce Jim's advice about planting it out for a while. You'll get more growth out of three years in the ground than you will out of 20 in a pot.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 1:27 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

And I want to reinforce Steve's advice as this will go for all species and not just oaks, why wait for years when you can get the results in months.
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don
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:32 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Thanks for the information, the trouble is i dont have a garden to put them in which is why i have them all in pots.

Don
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jimothy
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

don wrote:
Thanks for the information, the trouble is i dont have a garden to put them in which is why i have them all in pots.

Don


Ah, then we have ANOTHER problem - all temperate species (ie those growing in climates with warm summers and cold winters) have adapted to these conditions, and now actively NEED a cold, dark period in winter when they go dormant.

You simply can't keep trees such as oak and beech indoors, as trhe lack of this dormant period will kill them. if you only have indoor space, then i suggest you look into purchasing a tropical Ficus (fig) species, which are the easiest to keep of all the trees which DON'T require a winter dormancy.
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don
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

I do have a concrete area outside but just no garden and they are outside at the moment.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:00 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Oh, i see.

in that case, you'll want to invest in some big, wide pots that will allow the maximum, unrestricted root growth of your trees, which will, in turn, support the maximum growth of of the trunk and branches.

Old wooden fruit crates work well, or washing-up bowls with holes drilled in the bottom....
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don
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:08 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Thanks for that, I now have two pretty grey washing up bowls outside my door
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:13 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Does this mean that you repotted your trees today?
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don
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: My mighty oak Reply with quote

My mighty oak tree is now sitting happily in its grey washing up bowl and is a massive 6 inches tall with about 8 small leaves on it Very Happy

The Beech tree is about 2 inches tall with a small bud on the top Sad
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steve
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Glad to hear it. At least they won't get away from you at this rate. Wink Thanks for keeping us updated.
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don
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 5:31 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

At this rate I'll soon be able to build my tree house Very Happy
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Surrey John
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:54 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Don - do your grey washing up bowls have drainage holes? If not, make sure they get some, otherwise you run the risk of drowning the roots. Welcome, by the way, to the seedling in a pot club, of which I am a founder member. Wink SJ.
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don
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

Yes it does have drain holes in it thanks

I also planted a Hawthorn last year which is now 3 inches tall with quite a few leaves on it Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: The mighty English Oak Reply with quote

I have over 20 trees in pots. If I plant them in the garden, the dogs run over them and break them. I think I need an allotment or maybe just better behaved dogs and kids!

Toni
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