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TB420
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:27 am    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

AmyTville wrote:
I've noticed my tree has lost a few leaves recently, dried up brown in colour. Is this normal? I haven't fed it yet could that have anything to do with it? I have ordered Kaizen bonsai tree fertilizer -will this be adequate or will I need something else too?

Thanks in advance.


If it's is an Ilex it needs to be determined if it's evergreen or deciduous. Mine (vomitoria) is an evergreen and I will be keeping it in my greenhouse over the winter. If it's an evergreen drying leaves is not good, if it's deciduous it's normal. Not sure your zone, but evergreen holly are hardy to 7 and deciduous to 5, so hopefully it won't matter and you can leave it out all year with no prob. What zone are you in?

Most bonsai other than tropical are not usually fed now. I will cut my feeding for my tropicals down to about 1/4 of what I feed from March thru Sept. but all my tropicals are still in training so I feed them more than what's recommended here. I feed them full strength not half in summer.

The Fert. that you ordered should be fine as is. What is the NPK? A mid season dose of Epsom salts can't hurt though.

http://www.bonsai-bci.com/species/holly.html

Tom
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

Apologies for those who read this in a different topic, I didn't realize I should have posted continuing from this one Embarassed

I've had my bonsai tree for about 4 or 5 weeks now, and I've noticed that it has grown quite a lot in that time. Is that normal? From what I've read on here and other places suggests to me that trees usually have a dormant period around this time of year?

I was wondering if it will be OK for me to trim the tree during this time of year. Also, would it be necessary to feed the tree either before or after it has been pruned? I read that you shouldn't feed trees for about 6 weeks after they have been re-potted/root pruned and wondered if that stands for normal trimming of branches and leaves etc too.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

The need of fertilizer is little to none during the short days Amy.
From what I've read about them I wouldn't think that any protection is likely to be necessary either. Your report about strong growth at this time is surprising unless you have been giving it extra light and heat which can only result in straggly, comparatively weak shoots.
Pruning is possible at any time and wayward shoots may be shortened to leave two or three leaves, whichever end one faces out or down to encourage less upward growth. Anything which is thicker than 3/16" should be sealed after pruning with an approved sealant.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:02 am    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

I haven't given it any extra light, I was actually concerned that it wasn't getting enough with it being so cloudy and dull. It's kept on a window sill in my bedroom of a ground floor flat.

The heat in my bedroom averages around 16 degrees. Could this be too warm for it?

Thanks again for the replies.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

Stymie wrote:
From what I've read about them I wouldn't think that any protection is likely to be necessary either. Your report about strong growth at this time is surprising unless you have been giving it extra light or heat which can only result in straggly, comparatively weak shoots.
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This is the best advice that I can give. Ignore it if you wish.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 5:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

This tree was doing very well up until about 2 weeks ago. Then suddenly it went very droopy and the leaves started browning and falling off. The tree was extremely root bound so I re-potted it a few days ago and trimmed it back. When i took it out of the pot the soil was like thick glue or clay and really hard to remove as it was extremely compressed. This is how it looks now -

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l267/AmyTville/IMAG0627.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l267/AmyTville/IMAG0637.jpg

I have bought some superthrive for it, any other suggestions?
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 6:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

You might be as well pruning back some of the foliage to help the tree.

Regards

Toni
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

When you re potted, how much did you root prune? I am not familiar with this species but different species tolerate different amounts of root pruning. For instance, a juniper should only be root pruned or have about 30% of its roots taken off. Also, some trees recover differently when re potted. Some species don't skip a beat while some shed allot of their leaves due to stress. This is generally the best time of the year to re pot (i.e. spring). Someone on this forum will come along with more knowledge on this species and can offer better advise on this species. With good care, your Ilex should bounce back in a couple of weeks.
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PostPosted: Fri May 02, 2008 10:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

Amy, I bet your tree might be suffering from to much light/heat after the repot. After re-potting tropical/subtropical species it's usually best to give them some shade. I would also get it outside if at all possible.

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 12:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

Thank you for the replies. After re potting I moved the tree into a more shaded place. Touch wood I actually think it is starting to look a little better. it hasn't really dropped any more leaves since re potting, and there are a few tiny leaves starting to grow. Fingers crossed.
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2008 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Edited old post - tree not looking too well (page 2) Reply with quote

If I'm reading this right then the problems actually started before the repot. It could have been<