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apisto Orange Belt

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 264 Location: Scotland Zone 7 Brrrrr.....

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 12:44 am Post subject: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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Hi all
This Yamadori Larch has been potted up for 2 seasons after removal off a moor (with owners permission) it had been freely grazed by all comers and still has some wool on the branches.
It stands about 18"+ with a good thick trunk.
This year my task with it is put it in either a box or training pot of reasonable size & give it some shape..
I am looking for suggestions as i have had a picture of it on my phones main screen for 2 weeks and still i haven't seen in my minds eye what to do with it.
Any suggestions would be gladly accepted. feel free to manipulate the images as you see fit.
Ta
http://www.apistos.com/apistos/larch.htm
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TB420 Brown Belt

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 2802 Location: Franklin, Indiana Zone 5b

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 1:53 am Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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That looks like good stock with many branches to choose from. First you need to decide on a front, then I would select the branches that i wanted to keep. If I was not sure then the branch would stay for now. I would then remove all the bar branches, and go from there. There are so many branches off the trunk and it has descent taper and good movement. Decide on a grow box or a bonsai pot before long. It needs to be planted before it leafs out. If it gets to late and is in leaf wait till next year to transplant.
Good luck. Hope this is some help. I have ask a couple questions lately that have not been answered.
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apisto Orange Belt

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 264 Location: Scotland Zone 7 Brrrrr.....

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:44 am Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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Cheers Tom
I think i will box or pot today rather than wait another year to do so.
Unusually for me i cant see it if you know what i mean It has so many branches to choose from i think that's my problem
ta
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Stymie Black Belt

Joined: 18 Aug 2004 Posts: 10911 Location: S.Yorks.UK where the sun used to shine

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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The branches on Larix may be thinned out at any part of the year.
When deciding which branches to keep, Have the thicker ones at the bottom graduating in size to twiggy stuff by the time you get to the apex. |
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yamadorinige Green Belt

Joined: 09 Feb 2007 Posts: 754 Location: halesowen/ West Midlands

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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| There is very little movement in the trunk, so whatever style you finally decide on I think you are going to do some serious bending on it. Will try and do a couple of virtuals later |
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Stymie Black Belt

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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| One doesn't normally see tortuous trunks on Larch. |
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TB420 Brown Belt

Joined: 28 Aug 2006 Posts: 2802 Location: Franklin, Indiana Zone 5b

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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I like the little bit if movement that the trunk has. Have you decided on a front. This is the first thing to do. Usually decided by the rootage. Then it could be easier to decide what should go. Have you thought about it at all. Maybe a pic of he surface roots if they are exposed.
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yamadorinige Green Belt

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Stymie Black Belt

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 9:42 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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As Nige suggests, using the secondary 'trunk' as a new leader creates better trunk taper.
The down side would be that the branches higher up are thicker that the necessary lower ones which I thought could be lost if the full length is used because branches can then start about a third up from the medium level.
There must be many considerations before a final decision is made. |
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TB420 Brown Belt

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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Nige hit it on his second 'virt' in my opinion. Then you can use some on Nige's advice and some of Stymies. The taper would be good, and the trunk line is good. If you did that and rotated the tree so that the trunk leaned toward as the front it would be bowing towards you.
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apisto Orange Belt

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 264 Location: Scotland Zone 7 Brrrrr.....

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Posted: Sun Feb 25, 2007 10:32 pm Post subject: . |
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| TB420 wrote: |
Nige hit it on his second 'virt' in my opinion. Then you can use some on Nige's advice and some of Stymies. The taper would be good, and the trunk line is good. If you did that and rotated the tree so that the trunk leaned toward as the front it would be bowing towards you.
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Took the plunge today, re boxed it in a 10" wooden box
I thought i better when i noticed the buds had started to open
When i looked at it in the box one word sprung to mind... Windswept.
This may be the startings of some inspiration.
I have added some photos took today, the quality is a bit lower my N80 does not perform so well in lower light
Cheers for the virtuals these new pictures have included some shots from above to get a feel for the sheer amount of branches.
Its true what you said about needing to see the tree, the pictures dont even start to give you a feel for the potential of this tree.
http://www.apistos.com/apistos/1/index1.htm |
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apisto Orange Belt

Joined: 29 Jan 2006 Posts: 264 Location: Scotland Zone 7 Brrrrr.....

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Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: inspiration needed soon for this tree (update) |
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update on larch
http://www.apistos.com/apistos/1/index1.htm
Same page just added a few newer pictures
Been playing around with removal of the 3rd branch up on left 1st picture right on 3rd its a bit heavy for its height
from there bring down the one above to fill in gap a bit whilst moving the bottom and second up to give more free space between pads
lowest branch was repositioned earlier | |